Stray Kids

Since I was inspired by yesterday's nonsense and because there are things that I know, know of, and belong to my profession, what people need to know is also the fact, that the individuals in this industry, starting with the CLEANING LADY, up to the boss, they all belong to the same circle. When a company "hires" hundreds of "stylists", right...?...when they hire them, they don't place an ad in the newspaper. A company that, as most of the companies, is involved in prostitution, WILL hire prostitutes as staffers. There is no requirement for being a "stylist".
There is a network of Eastern Europeans hookers actresses, that are being sent to Hollywood, provide services to directors, a lot of asians as well, and some of them you might have even seen on TV. They are STILL required to offer sex services despite their status, unless they find another pimp. Those girls aren't forced. They are hookers for life, out of their own wish. To avoid working, but having lots of money and designer clothes.

Obvious, I can't go every time in detail, and it's not like people have to take my word for it, as I've said, I am an anonymous person on the internet and just because I pretend to know things, doesn't mean that I am also what I pretend to be for real. They are a lot of people who make the same statement on YouTube and other social media, getting lots of money paid, who also pretend the same, while being a fraud.

Either you read my postings thinking that everything I write is a fraud and I have no idea what I'm talking about, or, you get the opportunity to learn things and find out how deep a manipulation goes, from someone who has seen these things with her own eyes. The only ones pretending they aren't hookers and/or haven't "seen" anything, are the ones who are the biggest hookers.
Remember Weinstein ? When people were making fun of the celebrities acting as if they had no idea of what's going on? Nowadays girls are fighting just over the "chance" to offer their bodies, for a lollypop and a feature as an extra in a video.
There are MUSIC video directors who would select the extras in a video based on their performances with them.
Same goes for "staffers". Female and Males.

The male "managers", aren't "managers". They are carefully chosen surveillance people, with some of them being gay pedophiles traveling with the boys and getting their...fun from the trip.

Even from not knowing what the hell Usher doing, he was spending time with a little kid (Justin). Or P. Diddy. Slander could be calling them gay pedophiles. It's not as if they're going to give me the proof for free.
That's how it works in my business - things are always the same. Hookers are hired as staffer, you have the gay pedo "managers" and everything works this way, because obsessive fans feel as if their feelings have been hurt, and cannot accept the truth.

I personally know two people from the list of those who resigned. You know why? Besides from the fact that I had my fame time a while ago? Because it is a big tight circle, where EVERYONE involved knows something, including the secretary, the cleaning lady, the spider in the corner.
How do you think those things work? With NO secret being divulged?
Do you think, that they would let ANYBODY work with the top puppets?
Can you imagine sitting every day hours on a chair, doing "makeup", not even being able to watch a movie, write an email, for years, without getting bored? AS A GUY?
Even in today's Hyunjin video, you can hear a female staffer "laughing" and him slightly flirting with her. Laughing is one of the most powerful flirting tools.
Do you think, that those staffers are THAAAAT stupid, to constantly laugh at every little thing they say, even when it's not funny? No.

The prostitute network, is the biggest network in the industry. Bigger as CDsales, bigger as the CEO's bigger as the company. Without them, things cannot "run".

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Seungri allegedly threatened JYP Entertainment employee with gang members + all witnesses denied Seungri's involvement with prostitution

On January 14, former Big Bang member Seungri attended his 7th hearing in the ongoing trial involving his numerous criminal charges.
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www.spiegel.de

German Prostitutes Speak Out: 'Corporate Sex Parties Are Commonplace'

Companies routinely hire call girls to spice up excursions and parties, say two Berlin prostitutes following a furor over last week's revelation that a German insurance firm organized a sex party for high-performing salesmen in a Budapest bathhouse. The men start out coy -- but usually jettison...
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I mean...fans are fighting over drinking their urine, and you think the staff are all men-hating-lesbians?
 
boti said:
Since I was inspired by yesterday's nonsense and because there are things that I know, know of, and belong to my profession, what people need to know is also the fact, that the individuals in this industry, starting with the CLEANING LADY, up to the boss, they all belong to the same circle. When a company "hires" hundreds of "stylists", right...?...when they hire them, they don't place an ad in the newspaper. A company that, as most of the companies, is involved in prostitution, WILL hire prostitutes as staffers. There is no requirement for being a "stylist".
There is a network of Eastern Europeans hookers actresses, that are being sent to Hollywood, provide services to directors, a lot of asians as well, and some of them you might have even seen on TV. They are STILL required to offer sex services despite their status, unless they find another pimp. Those girls aren't forced. They are hookers for life, out of their own wish. To avoid working, but having lots of money and designer clothes.

Obvious, I can't go every time in detail, and it's not like people have to take my word for it, as I've said, I am an anonymous person on the internet and just because I pretend to know things, doesn't mean that I am also what I pretend to be for real. They are a lot of people who make the same statement on YouTube and other social media, getting lots of money paid, who also pretend the same, while being a fraud.

Either you read my postings thinking that everything I write is a fraud and I have no idea what I'm talking about, or, you get the opportunity to learn things and find out how deep a manipulation goes, from someone who has seen these things with her own eyes. The only ones pretending they aren't hookers and/or haven't "seen" anything, are the ones who are the biggest hookers.
Remember Weinstein ? When people were making fun of the celebrities acting as if they had no idea of what's going on? Nowadays girls are fighting just over the "chance" to offer their bodies, for a lollypop and a feature as an extra in a video.
There are MUSIC video directors who would select the extras in a video based on their performances with them.
Same goes for "staffers". Female and Males.

The male "managers", aren't "managers". They are carefully chosen surveillance people, with some of them being gay pedophiles traveling with the boys and getting their...fun from the trip.

Even from not knowing what the hell Usher doing, he was spending time with a little kid (Justin). Or P. Diddy. Slander could be calling them gay pedophiles. It's not as if they're going to give me the proof for free.
That's how it works in my business - things are always the same. Hookers are hired as staffer, you have the gay pedo "managers" and everything works this way, because obsessive fans feel as if their feelings have been hurt, and cannot accept the truth.

I personally know two people from the list of those who resigned. You know why? Besides from the fact that I had my fame time a while ago? Because it is a big tight circle, where EVERYONE involved knows something, including the secretary, the cleaning lady, the spider in the corner.
How do you think those things work? With NO secret being divulged?
Do you think, that they would let ANYBODY work with the top puppets?
Can you imagine sitting every day hours on a chair, doing "makeup", not even being able to watch a movie, write an email, for years, without getting bored? AS A GUY?
Even in today's Hyunjin video, you can hear a female staffer "laughing" and him slightly flirting with her. Laughing is one of the most powerful flirting tools.
Do you think, that those staffers are THAAAAT stupid, to constantly laugh at every little thing they say, even when it's not funny? No.

The prostitute network, is the biggest network in the industry. Bigger as CDsales, bigger as the CEO's bigger as the company. Without them, things cannot "run".

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altselection.com

Seungri allegedly threatened JYP Entertainment employee with gang members + all witnesses denied Seungri's involvement with prostitution

On January 14, former Big Bang member Seungri attended his 7th hearing in the ongoing trial involving his numerous criminal charges.
altselection.com altselection.com

www.spiegel.de

German Prostitutes Speak Out: 'Corporate Sex Parties Are Commonplace'

Companies routinely hire call girls to spice up excursions and parties, say two Berlin prostitutes following a furor over last week's revelation that a German insurance firm organized a sex party for high-performing salesmen in a Budapest bathhouse. The men start out coy -- but usually jettison...
www.spiegel.de www.spiegel.de


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I mean...fans are fighting over drinking their urine, and you think the staff are all men-hating-lesbians?
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Nonsense?
If you are referring to my answer to you, then you should have posted this as a reply to my post, to make sure I see it and to make sure I get a chance to answer. Otherwise it seems a bit cowardly. Nevertheless, I saw your post, and I'm going to answer, and to try to keep it constructive, despite that and despite your attempt at petty sarcastic jokes aimed at what I wrote previously. I don't really care about that, because I didn't initially post here to argue with you in a petty way. But I have to tell you, when you start brushing off people's arguments with words like "nonsense", and when you're calling so many people names, and insulting them, it actually discredits you and what you are saying. You are not doing yourself any favor. Which is a shame because I think that your heart seems to be in the right place when you want to expose the lies and what's wrong. And it seems that you have some valuable insights about the industry. But sometimes you sound irrational and bitter, and like you are just ranting and venting and insulting everyone.
You said it yourself, the good persons in this industry are the exception. But the fact is, there are some good people. And if even just one of them happens to be in the long list of people you are calling hookers and prostitutes, then you are slandering and hurting them.
You are saying I have experience in the business so this is how it works, and all the people in this business, in all the world are like this. You can also put more time and effort to post more quality posts and to be more nuanced about it. Otherwise, you are making very negative generalizations. Which by themselves generate other injustices. That's how racism works too. That's why I wanted to explain the difference in jews opinions in a previous post when you wrote that they were responsible for all the evil in the world. That, worded like that, is dangerous. Because when people come across posts like this, with everything that is going on, they develop more hatred for them. And sometimes one of the orthodox jews who happens to be against Israel get beaten in the street by people full of hatred against then, when he's actually someone who stands against that. Now there are also many orthodox jews who are totally ok with murdering babies and women, and starving them to death, because they think that they are the chosen people, and that they have rights that non jews (goyim) don't have. That is the essence of zionism. The double standard, that makes them think they can pretty much do anything they want to anyone who is not jewish, and that they are meant to rule the world from the Holy Land.

Anyway, back to Kpop, I'm all for you exposing that the male idols are just regular men, who are most likely attracted to the pretty girls around them (whether they are hookers or not, but we cannot know that for sure, so no need to call them that), and they are most likely dating them or being promiscuous with them or whatever. But no need to call everyone a hooker.
I'm all for that because when I was reading posts about the negative side of Kpop, I remember this post from a girl, I think she was from India, who was very worried about her cousin, because she was supposed to prepare for her entrance to medical school but instead of that, she was spending all her time streaming some BTS content, and she was saying that she was only going to marry a Korean man. The girl who posted that seemed so worried and was literally asking for help on how to get her cousin out of that. I thought that was just crazy. And then there are these girls in the concert with signs that say "[Insert name of idol or group here], I failed my exams because of you".

By the way, about the prostitution in Kpop, I even came across a post or an article that explained that some labels actually send prostitutes to idols so that they can have sexual relationships and stay single. I mean, how messed up is that?

Anyway, that's all the time I have for that.
If you feel you need to respond to something I wrote, and you want me to see it, it's probably better to answer my post, instead of posting a separate one. Because I don't read all the posts. I'll have a look when I have the time. And as I wrote in one of my previous posts, I'm done with reading about kpop.
 
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Nonsense?
If you are referring to my answer to you, then you should have posted this as a reply to my post, to make sure I see it and to make sure I get a chance to answer. Otherwise it seems a bit cowardly. Nevertheless, I saw your post, and I'm going to answer, and to try to keep it constructive, despite that and despite your attempt at petty sarcastic jokes aimed at what I wrote previously. I don't really care about that, because I didn't initially post here to argue with you in a petty way. But I have to tell you, when you start brushing off people's arguments with words like "nonsense", and when you're calling so many people names, and insulting them, it actually discredits you and what you are saying. You are not doing yourself any favor. Which is a shame because I think that your heart seems to be in the right place when you want to expose the lies and what's wrong. And it seems that you have some valuable insights about the industry. But sometimes you sound irrational and bitter, and like you are just ranting and venting and insulting everyone.
You said it yourself, the good persons in this industry are the exception. But the fact is, there are some good people. And if even just one of them happens to be in the long list of people you are calling hookers and prostitutes, then you are slandering and hurting them.
You are saying I have experience in the business so this is how it works, and all the people in this business, in all the world are like this. You can also put more time and effort to post more quality posts and to be more nuanced about it. Otherwise, you are making very negative generalizations. Which by themselves generate other injustices. That's how racism works too. That's why I wanted to explain the difference in jews opinions in a previous post when you wrote that they were responsible for all the evil in the world. That, worded like that, is dangerous. Because when people come across posts like this, with everything that is going on, they develop more hatred for them. And sometimes one of the orthodox jews who happens to be against Israel get beaten in the street by people full of hatred against then, when he's actually someone who stands against that. Now there are also many orthodox jews who are totally ok with murdering babies and women, and starving them to death, because they think that they are the chosen people, and that they have rights that non jews (goyim) don't have. That is the essence of zionism. The double standard, that makes them think they can pretty much do anything they want to anyone who is not jewish, and that they are meant to rule the world from the Holy Land.

Anyway, back to Kpop, I'm all for you exposing that the male idols are just regular men, who are most likely attracted to the pretty girls around them (whether they are hookers or not, but we cannot know that for sure, so no need to call them that), and they are most likely dating them or being promiscuous with them or whatever. But no need to call everyone a hooker.
I'm all for that because when I was reading posts about the negative side of Kpop, I remember this post from a girl, I think she was from India, who was very worried about her cousin, because she was supposed to prepare for her entrance to medical school but instead of that, she was spending all her time streaming some BTS content, and she was saying that she was only going to marry a Korean man. The girl who posted that seemed so worried and was literally asking for help on how to get her cousin out of that. I thought that was just crazy. And then there are these girls in the concert with signs that say "[Insert name of idol or group here], I failed my exams because of you".

By the way, about the prostitution in Kpop, I even came across a post or an article that explained that some labels actually send prostitutes to idols so that they can have sexual relationships and stay single. I mean, how messed up is that?

Anyway, that's all the time I have for that.
If you feel you need to respond to something I wrote, and you want me to see it, it's probably better to answer my post, instead of posting a separate one. Because I don't read all the posts. I'll have a look when I have the time. And as I wrote in one of my previous post, I'm done with reading about kpop.
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At least from what we know and can prove with a simple search, related to maybe 70% of this planet, there isn't one single negative aspect, that isn't ordered/caused by jews. I can't call them italians, or romanians, just because there are a few who aren't the incarnation of devil. Especially now in Europe, which has turned in the same shithole as America, in terms of globalism, where little farmers (see dutch scandal, romanian, etc) are being banned from providing and selling their work, so that some jewish devil comes with his big chain of shop and feeds poison to the people. Everything is jewish owned, every single position - from politics, to law firm, CEO of a bank, every single new "thing" featured in a jewish-owned newspaper, is jewish, every porn site, child trafficking ring, gun manufacturing company, bombs, etc..is jewish owned, and let's not forget the pharma.

Your approach and attacks against my wording and "slandering" , are similar in both incidents - I can't label someone/something this and that, because not everyone is the same.

I can't call the jewish evil romanian, African, dutch, Islamic, etc. because of a few good ones, nor is this about reassuring those innocent jews, that it's not about them. It's about writing, speaking, standing up to the evil. If I have to write every hour about another jewish attack, another jewish pedophile, I will do so. This situation has gotten so bad, that it's not going to work for a long time ignoring it.

I don't comment on every staffer and label her as a prostitute. I don't see their faces. I can smell them from here and if I see one, I will point to it. I already explained how things work, how you get in the first place to work as an "assistant", or a "stylist". There are people/females in this profession who are doing their job and others who are used/hired for a different purpose.

Yes, I write in a certain style, use the same words, say hooker and bad jews. If I were to be paid here enough to make my living, I would take the time to carefully choose my words, so that it appeals to more people and I get cashback/clicks/clout.
Some people have known about my writings for 4 years now. Like I've said - I know things. I have experience. Like someone who looks at wall and knows that the house is going to fall down in the next 2 weeks because mold that has wrotten everything. You/me see maybe the clean shiny perfect wall and think that the person is either:
a) nuts
b) it's his profession, that is why I hired him, he knows what he's talking about

I can't give too many details, nor do a podcast, as I wanted to, because some people might recognize my voice and I am not familiar with how un-editable voice editing softwares are.


I know most of the acting presidents of the concert halls in the west, I know how management boutiques for classical musicians and ballett dancers are choosing the ones they represent, I know who is the boss at Juillard, at the conservatory in Paris, the Mafia in UK, and the CEO's as well as their law firms of the big 3 - Universal,Warner Music, Sony.
By the way...everyone in the list is jewish. Even in romania they are all jews and you can't get into any conservatoire, any ballet school, program, etc...unless you are bringing enough interest to the gay pedophile jews, to use you for whatever purpose they have - either internal within the company, sexual, or political.
Most of the people accepted in the program are gay boys/men. The women are either gay, or slutty. The difference is obvious to us, because they gay ones look very gay, and the slutty ones are very visible.
Most of them in Europe belong either to the Lions or the Rotary club.
Each of them have their own doctors, plastic surgeons, lawyers they provide you with, judges, appointment at the bank with their respective connections, at the respective banks, each of them have different ties to different people from magazines/tv/press within the same company.
Some of them will for example write reviews for Sony, some of them for Warner.

Yes, I do not know if staffer a, b, c is a hooker. Working with BTS and SKZ. Yes, the appropriate thing would be to call them maybe "alledged" promiscuous people. but they aren't. Promiscous is one thing. Using sex to manipulate is another thing.
I thought, that me trying to explaining to you visually why the short presence of that girl in a super short skirt raised my senses, will be enough.

Without a proof, that's the best I can do.

Another thing I've said in the past, was that I doubt the members of BTS and in this case SKZ, especially Jungkook, Taehyung and Hyunjin, who are the ones who matter, were having lawyers working in their own interest.
Why? Because it's not like you go on the street and ask - who wants to represent me. When you sign a 7 year contract, or 5 year contract, not many people who aren't going to charge you 10,000 EUR , have knowledge.
I speculated that Bang/Park told them - here, you can have this "x" lawyer.
End of the story.

That's how things work, that's what I have experienced my entire life. People will provide you with this and that, you see the hookers working for the boss, you see the gays touching the boys.. That's not something I can put out in a forum, blog, podcast in detail, with carefully chosen words. That's a lifetime experience.
A bitter one.
 
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boti said:
At least from what we know and can prove with a simple search, related to maybe 70% of this planet, there isn't one single negative aspect, that isn't ordered/caused by jews. I can't call them italians, or romanians, just because there are a few who aren't the incarnation of devil. Especially now in Europe, which has turned in the same shithole as America, in terms of globalism, where little farmers (see dutch scandal, romanian, etc) are being banned from providing and selling their work, so that some jewish devil comes with his big chain of shop and feeds poison to the people. Everything is jewish owned, every single position - from politics, to law firm, CEO of a bank, every single new "thing" featured in a jewish-owned newspaper, is jewish, every porn site, child trafficking ring, gun manufacturing company, bombs, etc..is jewish owned, and let's not forget the pharma.

Your approach and attacks against my wording and "slandering" , are similar in both incidents - I can't label someone/something this and that, because not everyone is the same.

I can't call the jewish evil romanian, African, dutch, Islamic, etc. because of a few good ones, nor is this about reassuring those innocent jews, that it's not about them. It's about writing, speaking, standing up to the evil. If I have to write every hour about another jewish attack, another jewish pedophile, I will do so. This situation has gotten so bad, that it's not going to work for a long time ignoring it.

I don't comment on every staffer and label her as a prostitute. I don't see their faces. I can smell them from here and if I see one, I will point to it. I already explained how things work, how you get in the first place to work as an "assistant", or a "stylist". There are people/females in this profession who are doing their job and others who are used/hired for a different purpose.

Yes, I write in a certain style, use the same words, say hooker and bad jews. If I were to be paid here enough to make my living, I would take the time to carefully choose my words, so that it appeals to more people and I get cashback/clicks/clout.
Some people have known about my writings for 4 years now. Like I've said - I know things. I have experience. Like someone who looks at wall and knows that the house is going to fall down in the next 2 weeks because mold that has wrotten everything. You/me see maybe the clean shiny perfect wall and think that the person is either:
a) nuts
b) it's his profession, that is why I hired him, he knows what he's talking about

I can't give too many details, nor do a podcast, as I wanted to, because some people might recognize my voice and I am not familiar with how un-editable voice editing softwares are.


I know most of the acting presidents of the concert halls in the west, I know how management boutiques for classical musicians and ballett dancers are choosing the ones they represent, I know who is the boss at Juillard, at the conservatory in Paris, the Mafia in UK, and the CEO's as well as their law firms of the big 3 - Universal,Warner Music, Sony.
By the way...everyone in the list is jewish. Even in romania they are all jews and you can't get into any conservatoire, any ballet school, program, etc...unless you are bringing enough interest to the gay pedophile jews, to use you for whatever purpose they have - either internal within the company, sexual, or political.
Most of the people accepted in the program are gay boys/men. The women are either gay, or slutty. The difference is obvious to us, because they gay ones look very gay, and the slutty ones are very visible.
Most of them in Europe belong either to the Lions or the Rotary club.
Each of them have their own doctors, plastic surgeons, lawyers they provide you with, judges, appointment at the bank with their respective connections, at the respective banks, each of them have different ties to different people from magazines/tv/press within the same company.
Some of them will for example write reviews for Sony, some of them for Warner.

Yes, I do not know if staffer a, b, c is a hooker. Working with BTS and SKZ. Yes, the appropriate thing would be to call them maybe "alledged" promiscuous people. but they aren't. Promiscous is one thing. Using sex to manipulate is another thing.
I thought, that me trying to explaining to you visually why the short presence of that girl in a super short skirt raised my senses, will be enough.

Without a proof, that's the best I can do.

Another thing I've said in the past, was that I doubt the members of BTS and in this case SKZ, especially Jungkook, Taehyung and Hyunjin, who are the ones who matter, were having lawyers working in their own interest.
Why? Because it's not like you go on the street and ask - who wants to represent me. When you sign a 7 year contract, or 5 year contract, not many people who aren't going to charge you 10,000 EUR , have knowledge.
I speculated that Bang/Park told them - here, you can have this "x" lawyer.
End of the story.

That's how things work, that's what I have experienced my entire life. People will provide you with this and that, you see the hookers working for the boss, you see the gays touching the boys.. That's not something I can put out in a forum, blog, podcast in detail, with carefully chosen words. That's a lifetime experience.
A bitter one.
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I wasn't attacking you, I was defending people I don't know and don't personally care about, but whom I felt - at least for some of them - were getting abuse they didn't deserve. Because it seemed wrong to me. It takes a bit more time and attention to express one's thoughts carefully, and to be more nuanced but I think it's important. The devil is in the details. And it's not about getting more clicks or having more people liking you when someone tries to stand for what's right, on the contrary, people don't like to hear these truths, it's about trying to be as fair and precise as possible to expose things as they are.

Maybe it will help you see things more positively, but we live at a time where the balance of power in the world is shifting. Jews don't dominate the world, they dominate the West, which is about 1 billion people out of 8 billion. Now the West does inflict a lot of pain on developing countries and dominates them, but it is changing. Russia and China are a real counter power (BRICS, etc); and the US normally takes out any leader out there who challenges their imperialism and their dominance with the dollar, but they can't do that with Russia. Because Russia has what is now (according to certain experts) the first army in the world, and most importantly, they have hypersonic weapons (that means 5 to 10 times the speed of sound, mach 5 - 10), that the US doesn't have. These weapons, because of their speed (and other characteristics), cannot be stopped. That is key because they can target pretty much any place they want, and the US knows that. The US doesn't have this technology and they're far behind. What is going on now in Ukraine is a proxy war between NATO/US and Russia (while using Ukrainian lives for that). If NATO goes too far and allows more strikes into Russian territory, then Russia gives these weapons to the Houthis so that they can strike Israel, and that's what has just happened a couple of days ago (there goes the iron dome that can supposedly stop anything...). [These insights are not mine but I've been following these topics for a while.]
More countries are getting away from the dollar, their influence is declining. The decline in quality is everywhere in the level of studies in the US, in some countries in Europe. The axis US-israel is losing ground, and they know that. With that, the influence of the pedocriminals and a lot of the evil out there will hopefully decline [I don't like the word pedophile because etymologically that means someone who loves children and the actions of these sick evil criminals have nothing to do with love]. Like, Putin was really pushing against that. But who knows if this will actually blow into a full blown WWIII or what...

Some western artists are actually getting into China because they know it's the future because of the size of the market and because of that. But then there's the language barrier.

I meant to write a few things about your comparison between Jungkook for BTS and Hyunjin for SKZ but I don't have the time now, so I'll try some other time.
 
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What is wrong with this guy and WHY did they have him live with Hyunjin??
I assume this was some sort of a game, but WHY in the world would they do only gay stuff? Everything they do is a gay parade.

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Hello,

About Jungkook in BTS and Hyunjin in SKZ:

For me, it’s not the same situation. Jungkook seemed like he was carrying a lot for BTS: he had to sing a lot, he was important for dancing too, he was the maknae, (which apparently has its importance in Korea with the “cuteness” capital attached to it), and the most popular. [I won’t comment on looks for either group because I feel that even if some people seem more “universally handsome” than others, it’s subjective and to each their own]. And I agree that he seemed kind and that he seems changed; he seems lost, sometimes he spaces out.

Whereas for SKZ, all these attributes are, I think, distributed among the members.
The first skz performance I saw (a video on tiktok I think) was their lollapalooza performance in Paris, I think it was the song Superbowl. I remember liking it. The first thing that struck me was the energy. I don’t know how to explain, but I felt like there is “a dark cloud”, a sort of dark energy around BTS when I watch their content. It sounds weird but that’s what I felt. I felt a much better lighter energy for the skz performance. I also liked how they looked on stage, and the audience (well this was in Paris not in Korea so there are cultural differences), was really singing out loud, knew the lyrics, and it felt that everyone was just having a good time. So it really seemed to be about the music and the performance – which is what it should be about. I also remember thinking they were so much better. And it just seemed like fun, light entertainment. Before that, I think I only saw Hyunjin in a feed when I was checking some BTS content on social media. I had never seen any of the other members. The one that stood out the most for me was Felix, in terms of stage presence and charisma. I personally also like his dancing style more. But it depends because when I watched Hyunjin’s solo performance, (I think “artist of the month”), I also thought he was very good. But sometimes, with his height, I think that certain movements suit him less; whereas I think the way Felix dances is more balanced, or has more harmony, with just the right energy. Hyunjin has movements with “more impact” so sometimes it’s better for certain movements (I’m not sure I’m explaining myself well here). For certain choreographies, I also think Lee Know stands out more. I remember also noticing Han during this performance, because of his wavy hair and his face expressions.

As I started to watch some of their performances, music videos and understood what was “3-racha”, I thought they all brought something to the table; if we add Seungmin with the voice and the singing skills (he came 2nd in a singing contest; I also like Seungmin’s singing parts in Superbowl), and IN also in the “vocal line” and being the maknae. I don’t think they refer to themselves with these “sub-groups” names anymore. (Except for 3-racha, I’ll get to that for the copyrights). And I think that they all work on improving their singing (most recent I’ve noticed are LeeKnow and Felix, but I’ve been watching less and less content so not sure it means anything compared to the others).

So although I think that yes Jungkook was central to BTS (I have barely watched or read anything about him in a year I think), I don’t think that for skz, people only care about Hyunjin. Also, if the number of Instagram followers is any good indicator, the most popular is Felix, not Hyunjin, but they’re almost as popular. I doesn’t really matter, the point is that I think that the group is put together in a better and more balanced way than bts. But I really think that the 2 most important people to bring people in the fandom are Felix and Hyunjin. I think that Felix gets a lot of attention because of his blond hair, especially abroad apparently, and it’s probably more a marketing strategic move for them to “draw people in”, (which is not necessarily a bad move, let us not forget, it is a business). Blond hair gets him more attention, and suits him but dark hair also suits him (he should probably just be careful to keep some kind of hair on his head with all this bleach). Also the fact that he and Bang Chan are Australian, helps a lot with their communication with international fans, who seem to represent a pretty big part of the fandom. And a double culture generally makes people more tolerant, open-minded, so it probably helped the group as well. Very different vibes between BTS and SKZ. The energy of JYP is also very different compared to the energy of Bang (but who knows what they do…)
The international fans will also connect more with Bang Chan and Felix than with Hyunjin because of the language barrier I think.

I actually think that long blond hair for a man is not necessarily a bad think, and it can be pretty manly like for Vikings, or for the Lord of the Ring character Legolas, and I think that he (Felix) often tries to go for that (Legolas, not a Viking). [There are many cultures where it is ok and manly for men to have long hair. Historically, warriors or men from the aristocracy in many countries in Asia (China, Korea…) would have really long hair. Let us not forget that despite the influence of the US in their country, they also have their cultural and traditional heritage. Same for skirts (the Scotts with the kilt still nowadays, the Roman Empire and actually a lot of civilizations – it’s more manly (and modest) than many hipster or skinny pants some men wear nowadays)]. But I agree that they also sometimes style him like a fairy or someone who could be a girl of a guy, and I don’t like that (gender confusion etc..). But most of the time, without makeup, even with long blond hair, his demeanor gives me “laid back Australian guy” of Korean descent vibes (not sure if that makes sense – Australians are known to be pretty laid back – I’ve had a couple of Australian classmates/friends like that – and yes this is also a generalization but they tend to be more accepted and more acceptable when they are about positive traits - nevermind).
I also really don’t like all these body rolls they are making IN do, or how they are dressing him recently. They are sexualizing him more and more, and it’s all the more creepy with him being the “maknae”, the youngest one.


About the copyright subject:

I read what you wrote and that you assumed even for 3-racha they probably have a salary in exchange for their copyright, and that it’s probably not much. It’s interesting. (I remember also reading about this a bit when I was looking into Taylor Swift re-recording of her albums etc.). That is the one topic I would have liked to have actual (contractual) information on – but well…it’s in their confidential contracts. But I don’t think they’re that dumb, because on a recent video, I saw Seungmin say that he wanted to be part of 3-racha, but Bang-Chan and Changbin’s response was that “then they would be out of a job”. And before that, there was an older video where Felix was telling Bang-Chan that it would be great if 3-racha could become 4-racha. So they seem to be aware of the importance of the copyright. And there also seems to be an important difference in revenues, because in that same video (I think), Bang-Chan asked Felix what he wanted for his birthday, and he said “a house” and Bang-Chan said “why is everyone asking me that?” There was an allusion to “Bang-Chan rolling into it”. So at least these two (Seungmin and Felix) seem to be aware of it. I don’t know if they all have to perform only the songs written by 3-racha contractually when the whole group, the brand skz performs. They all have their solo songs but it’s not the same. If that is the case, and if the difference in revenues is too big, as I wrote in a previous post, given the nature of the business, I don’t think it’s fair. Even for LeeKnow, IN and Seungmin (because then only 3 would benefit from the synergy of the 8, which I think works pretty well). Because I think that 3-racha can write all the songs they want I think, without Felix and Hyunjin, and the others, I don’t think that many people will go to watch them or will see their music videos, etc. Not sure if the contracts they have with Louis Vuitton, Versace, etc. make up for the difference in revenues between them. Also it is modeling so I think it’s different, it’s like another job; and it exposes them to so many creeps.

I would also have liked to have a look at the contract between them and the company (I also saw what you wrote, that it’s probably a tiny % of what they bring in). Apparently that varies too. I would have liked to see how, once they pay back “their debt” for the training, etc, which part is fixed, which part is variable etc.. I remember researching how the financial compensation was split between the members (not them, but generally speaking in kpop), and it seems that it varies a lot. Some split everything, and then when one has a big advertising contract, it creates tensions because he feels it isn’t fair.
And it would have been interesting to look a typical “schedule”. Nor for a day, but like generally for a year. Like each day, how much is dedicated to training, rehearsals; how many days a week they work, how many vacation they have etc… to actually get a sense of the real workload.
From what I've seen, in skz, they seemed pretty diligent about their work (like, the real work), all of them, especially Hyunjin, LeeKnow, Felix and Seungmin (I picked up hints aiming at that for these ones in the videos I saw, and as I wrote I haven't watched all the videos, so it really doesn't say much for the others). I can't say if Hyunjin is going downhill because I haven't watch that much recently, I think that sometimes they just have to perform too much in a short period of time (when they have to promote what they are releasing) so their energy is bound too decline. [I mean, whatever one can think of what is or isn't dance, they still have to put in efforts and time for rehearsals, etc. and I think that they do.] That's why I would have liked to see the schedules.
But I did notice on short videos here and there that Hyunjin is playing more with his mouth and his tongue. (Someone please tell him that it's actually gross; that and the crotch grabbing movement so many people do (Nikki, Jungkook). But I guess then they "have to" provide material for those crazy fan edits and fan fiction stories too. I'm sure some sexually suggestive "choreography movements" are aimed at that too.

I also thought the way they are split in 4 different dorms (/apartments?) give some indications about them and their internal dynamics, but I cannot just keep on writing about this. It's not like I was planning on writing a thesis or an academic research paper on them, or on Kpop and its toxicity (but it's starting to feel that way). I initially didn’t even plan to post everything I posted. But then, there was always something that made me want to reply or to explain more. I had no idea this would end up taking me up so much time, like, way too much.
I'll address a couple more topics because this is probably going to be my last essay post, and I won't be reading about Kpop anymore. The subject just doesn't interest me anymore. I initially wanted to understand the obsession, and what was behind it. I mean this level of obsession still baffles me (for certain fans, they're not all the same, thank God). But never mind.

The lawsuits
I know why you wrote that in quotes, nevermind that, but I actually think you have a good point there. I hope and pray it will never come to that, but if one fan commits suicide for example if/when Jungkook gets married (because I saw someone wrote somewhere that "it's sad but many fans will probably commit suicide when Jungkook will get married"), I think that a pissed off devastated parent with enough financial means can hire a good lawyer and go after them (the label companies). Because there are some deep but subtle manipulation techniques going on there (remember the devil is in the details). I'm sure they get training on how to look at the camera, and certain things. Like some of them, the long gaze, the way they talk, that's how people is real life fall in love. But these girls need to realize these men are not looking at them (except in the fan calls), they are looking at a camera. And the girls are not looking at a person likely to reciprocate their feelings, they are looking at a screen. They don't even know they exist for most of them. But their feeling grow and they get obsessed. So they (the label companies - some more than others) really perfected to art of creating feelings (and it's easier for teenagers for so many reasons) and using them for business. They're actually sometimes pretty blunt about it in some documents or meetings aimed at the shareholders.
It actually discredits the legit work and all the efforts the idols put into it. Like, you're already a dancer and a singer, and you put a lot of time and efforts into it, why would you want to also become a "feelings' scammer". [The idea/concept of scam for Kpop idols who willingly feed the delusional fans is not mine, I read that in a reddit post]. But then, that's probably the company's (and its shareholders') greed. Money. One of the very powerful levers the devil uses to lead man astray. When I was reading about the obsessed fans who neglect their future or their lives for Kpop, I didn't think about lawsuits but I thought it sounded like an addiction, a drug addiction, and then I wondered but who do you blame? The drug dealer or the drug addict? Drug dealers are sent to prison whereas drug addicts are sent to rehab. If the label in this metaphor is the drug dealer, how does the idol fit into that? Cause some seem to be more ethical than others. Even the occasional "I love you" shouted by pop stars (I mean in the whole world not Kpop) in concerts is ok I think (It's not like they can scream during a concert "I appreciate your support" instead of shouting "I love you", that would be a bit weird or lame. It's more how it's done in certain settings with so many other factors that suggest a false sense of proximity to deceive some fans. (The details...) Some refuse to do it in certain settings. I remember reading about one (not in BTS or SKZ) who, when asked to tell one fan "I love you" (so probably in a fan call or fan meeting) said he couldn't do it because he was loyal and committed to only one woman. And the great thing is that some fans actual respect them all the more for that. But since it's probably not the majority, well... greed. Mostly companies' greed.

I also found myself wondering recently if the fans who make the edits on tiktok do it because they want to basically work for their idol, or because they want to provide materials for other fans, or because they want to monetize their content because they realize there are many people who want to watch that. It’s like everyone is using everyone sometimes.

Bitterness
This is more of an advice to you (if you're still reading...), so feel free to ignore it. Actually feel free to ignore everything. (You take in what you want to take in). The negative feelings of anger, resentment, bitterness ... that come from injustices, those are tough. It sucks. But if you're not careful and if you let these feelings take hold of you, it's almost like you are letting an injustice of the past take more from you in the present. Negative feelings like these shouldn't be repressed, because then they come back stronger. But once they're acknowledged, it's best to try to be constructive and try to let them go to focus on building something good, with what's left in the present. And if you find that there are so many people who rig the business where you were working, then maybe you can look somewhere else. It is a vast world out there. It's more easily said than done, but maybe it's worth at least thinking about it. These people can't take from you your actual time (unless you let them), your skills, your talent. Or maybe you can find creative ways to do what you do without them, outside their system. Also, it's hard to stomach reading about evil all the time. It's also important to focus on what's good in life.

That's it! (finally...)
If you post a reply, I'll read it. And if you ask me a question, I'll try to answer. But I'm really done now.
 
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Mar678 said:
Hello,

About Jungkook in BTS and Hyunjin in SKZ:

For me, it’s not the same situation. Jungkook seemed like he was carrying a lot for BTS: he had to sing a lot, he was important for dancing too, he was the maknae, (which apparently has its importance in Korea with the “cuteness” capital attached to it), and the most popular. [I won’t comment on looks for either group because I feel that even if some people seem more “universally handsome” than others, it’s subjective and to each their own]. And I agree that he seemed kind and that he seems changed; he seems lost, sometimes he spaces out.

Whereas for SKZ, all these attributes are, I think, distributed among the members.
The first skz performance I saw (a video on tiktok I think) was their lollapalooza performance in Paris, I think it was the song Superbowl. I remember liking it. The first thing that struck me was the energy. I don’t know how to explain, but I felt like there is “a dark cloud”, a sort of dark energy around BTS when I watch their content. It sounds weird but that’s what I felt. I felt a much better lighter energy for the skz performance. I also liked how they looked on stage, and the audience (well this was in Paris not in Korea so there are cultural differences), was really singing out loud, knew the lyrics, and it felt that everyone was just having a good time. So it really seemed to be about the music and the performance – which is what it should be about. I also remember thinking they were so much better. And it just seemed like fun, light entertainment. Before that, I think I only saw Hyunjin in a feed when I was checking some BTS content on social media. I had never seen any of the other members. The one that stood out the most for me was Felix, in terms of stage presence and charisma. I personally also like his dancing style more. But it depends because when I watched Hyunjin’s solo performance, (I think “artist of the month”), I also thought he was very good. But sometimes, with his height, I think that certain movements suit him less; whereas I think the way Felix dances is more balanced, or has more harmony, with just the right energy. Hyunjin has movements with “more impact” so sometimes it’s better for certain movements (I’m not sure I’m explaining myself well here). For certain choreographies, I also think Lee Know stands out more. I remember also noticing Han during this performance, because of his wavy hair and his face expressions.

As I started to watch some of their performances, music videos and understood what was “3-racha”, I thought they all brought something to the table; if we add Seungmin with the voice and the singing skills (he came 2nd in a singing contest; I also like Seungmin’s singing parts in Superbowl), and IN also in the “vocal line” and being the maknae. I don’t think they refer to themselves with these “sub-groups” names anymore. (Except for 3-racha, I’ll get to that for the copyrights). And I think that they all work on improving their singing (most recent I’ve noticed are LeeKnow and Felix, but I’ve been watching less and less content so not sure it means anything compared to the others).

So although I think that yes Jungkook was central to BTS (I have barely watched or read anything about him in a year I think), I don’t think that for skz, people only care about Hyunjin. Also, if the number of Instagram followers is any good indicator, the most popular is Felix, not Hyunjin, but they’re almost as popular. I doesn’t really matter, the point is that I think that the group is put together in a better and more balanced way than bts. But I really think that the 2 most important people to bring people in the fandom are Felix and Hyunjin. I think that Felix gets a lot of attention because of his blond hair, especially abroad apparently, and it’s probably more a marketing strategic move for them to “draw people in”, (which is not necessarily a bad move, let us not forget, it is a business). Blond hair gets him more attention, and suits him but dark hair also suits him (he should probably just be careful to keep some kind of hair on his head with all this bleach). Also the fact that he and Bang Chan are Australian, helps a lot with their communication with international fans, who seem to represent a pretty big part of the fandom. And a double culture generally makes people more tolerant, open-minded, so it probably helped the group as well. Very different vibes between BTS and SKZ. The energy of JYP is also very different compared to the energy of Bang (but who knows what they do…)
The international fans will also connect more with Bang Chan and Felix than with Hyunjin because of the language barrier I think.

I actually think that long blond hair for a man is not necessarily a bad think, and it can be pretty manly like for Vikings, or for the Lord of the Ring character Legolas, and I think that he (Felix) often tries to go for that (Legolas, not a Viking). [There are many cultures where it is ok and manly for men to have long hair. Historically, warriors or men from the aristocracy in many countries in Asia (China, Korea…) would have really long hair. Let us not forget that despite the influence of the US in their country, they also have their cultural and traditional heritage. Same for skirts (the Scotts with the kilt still nowadays, the Roman Empire and actually a lot of civilizations – it’s more manly (and modest) than many hipster or skinny pants some men wear nowadays)]. But I agree that they also sometimes style him like a fairy or someone who could be a girl of a guy, and I don’t like that (gender confusion etc..). But most of the time, without makeup, even with long blond hair, his demeanor gives me “laid back Australian guy” of Korean descent vibes (not sure if that makes sense – Australians are known to be pretty laid back – I’ve had a couple of Australian classmates/friends like that – and yes this is also a generalization but they tend to be more accepted and more acceptable when they are about positive traits - nevermind).
I also really don’t like all these body rolls they are making IN do, or how they are dressing him recently. They are sexualizing him more and more, and it’s all the more creepy with him being the “maknae”, the youngest one.


About the copyright subject:

I read what you wrote and that you assumed even for 3-racha they probably have a salary in exchange for their copyright, and that it’s probably not much. It’s interesting. (I remember also reading about this a bit when I was looking into Taylor Swift re-recording of her albums etc.). That is the one topic I would have liked to have actual (contractual) information on – but well…it’s in their confidential contracts. But I don’t think they’re that dumb, because on a recent video, I saw Seungmin say that he wanted to be part of 3-racha, but Bang-Chan and Changbin’s response was that “then they would be out of a job”. And before that, there was an older video where Felix was telling Bang-Chan that it would be great if 3-racha could become 4-racha. So they seem to be aware of the importance of the copyright. And there also seems to be an important difference in revenues, because in that same video (I think), Bang-Chan asked Felix what he wanted for his birthday, and he said “a house” and Bang-Chan said “why is everyone asking me that?” There was an allusion to “Bang-Chan rolling into it”. So at least these two (Seungmin and Felix) seem to be aware of it. I don’t know if they all have to perform only the songs written by 3-racha contractually when the whole group, the brand skz performs. They all have their solo songs but it’s not the same. If that is the case, and if the difference in revenues is too big, as I wrote in a previous post, given the nature of the business, I don’t think it’s fair. Even for LeeKnow, IN and Seungmin (because then only 3 would benefit from the synergy of the 8, which I think works pretty well). Because I think that 3-racha can write all the songs they want I think, without Felix and Hyunjin, and the others, I don’t think that many people will go to watch them or will see their music videos, etc. Not sure if the contracts they have with Louis Vuitton, Versace, etc. make up for the difference in revenues between them. Also it is modeling so I think it’s different, it’s like another job; and it exposes them to so many creeps.

I would also have liked to have a look at the contract between them and the company (I also saw what you wrote, that it’s probably a tiny % of what they bring in). Apparently that varies too. I would have liked to see how, once they pay back “their debt” for the training, etc, which part is fixed, which part is variable etc.. I remember researching how the financial compensation was split between the members (not them, but generally speaking in kpop), and it seems that it varies a lot. Some split everything, and then when one has a big advertising contract, it creates tensions because he feels it isn’t fair.
And it would have been interesting to look a typical “schedule”. Nor for a day, but like generally for a year. Like each day, how much is dedicated to training, rehearsals; how many days a week they work, how many vacation they have etc… to actually get a sense of the real workload.
From what I've seen, in skz, they seemed pretty diligent about their work (like, the real work), all of them, especially Hyunjin, LeeKnow, Felix and Seungmin (I picked up hints aiming at that for these ones in the videos I saw, and as I wrote I haven't watched all the videos, so it really doesn't say much for the others). I can't say if Hyunjin is going downhill because I haven't watch that much recently, I think that sometimes they just have to perform too much in a short period of time (when they have to promote what they are releasing) so their energy is bound too decline. [I mean, whatever one can think of what is or isn't dance, they still have to put in efforts and time for rehearsals, etc. and I think that they do.] That's why I would have liked to see the schedules.
But I did notice on short videos here and there that Hyunjin is playing more with his mouth and his tongue. (Someone please tell him that it's actually gross; that and the crotch grabbing movement so many people do (Nikki, Jungkook). But I guess then they "have to" provide material for those crazy fan edits and fan fiction stories too. I'm sure some sexually suggestive "choreography movements" are aimed at that too.

I also thought the way they are split in 4 different dorms (/apartments?) give some indications about them and their internal dynamics, but I cannot just keep on writing about this. It's not like I was planning on writing a thesis or an academic research paper on them, or on Kpop and its toxicity (but it's starting to feel that way). I initially didn’t even plan to post everything I posted. But then, there was always something that made me want to reply or to explain more. I had no idea this would end up taking me up so much time, like, way too much.
I'll address a couple more topics because this is probably going to be my last essay post, and I won't be reading about Kpop anymore. The subject just doesn't interest me anymore. I initially wanted to understand the obsession, and what was behind it. I mean this level of obsession still baffles me (for certain fans, they're not all the same, thank God). But never mind.

The lawsuits
I know why you wrote that in quotes, nevermind that, but I actually think you have a good point there. I hope and pray it will never come to that, but if one fan commits suicide for example if/when Jungkook gets married (because I saw someone wrote somewhere that "it's sad but many fans will probably commit suicide when Jungkook will get married"), I think that a pissed off devastated parent with enough financial means can hire a good lawyer and go after them (the label companies). Because there are some deep but subtle manipulation techniques going on there (remember the devil is in the details). I'm sure they get training on how to look at the camera, and certain things. Like some of them, the long gaze, the way they talk, that's how people is real life fall in love. But these girls need to realize these men are not looking at them (except in the fan calls), they are looking at a camera. And the girls are not looking at a person likely to reciprocate their feelings, they are looking at a screen. They don't even know they exist for most of them. But their feeling grow and they get obsessed. So they (the label companies - some more than others) really perfected to art of creating feelings (and it's easier for teenagers for so many reasons) and using them for business. They're actually sometimes pretty blunt about it in some documents or meetings aimed at the shareholders.
It actually discredits the legit work and all the efforts the idols put into it. Like, you're already a dancer and a singer, and you put a lot of time and efforts into it, why would you want to also become a "feelings' scammer". [The idea/concept of scam for Kpop idols who willingly feed the delusional fans is not mine, I read that in a reddit post]. But then, that's probably the company's (and its shareholders') greed. Money. One of the very powerful levers the devil uses to lead man astray. When I was reading about the obsessed fans who neglect their future or their lives for Kpop, I didn't think about lawsuits but I thought it sounded like an addiction, a drug addiction, and then I wondered but who do you blame? The drug dealer or the drug addict? Drug dealers are sent to prison whereas drug addicts are sent to rehab. If the label in this metaphor is the drug dealer, how does the idol fit into that? Cause some seem to be more ethical than others. Even the occasional "I love you" shouted by pop stars (I mean in the whole world not Kpop) in concerts is ok I think (It's not like they can scream during a concert "I appreciate your support" instead of shouting "I love you", that would be a bit weird or lame. It's more how it's done in certain settings with so many other factor that suggest a false sense of proximity to deceive some fans. (The details...) Some refuse to do it in certain settings. I remember reading about one (not in BTS or SKZ) who, when asked to tell one fan "I love you" (so probably in a fan call or fan meeting) said he couldn't do it because he was loyal and committed to only one woman. And the great thing is that some fans actual respect them all the more for that. But since it's probably not the majority, well... greed. Mostly companies' greed.

I also found myself wondering recently if the fans who make the edits on tiktok do it because they want to basically work for their idol, or because they want to provide materials for other fans, or because they want to monetize their content because they realize there are many people who want to watch that. It’s like everyone is using everyone sometimes.

Bitterness
This is more of an advice to you (if you're still reading...), so feel free to ignore it. Actually feel free to ignore everything. (You take in what you want to take in). The negative feelings of anger, resentment, bitterness ... that come from injustices, those are tough. It sucks. But if you're not careful and if you let these feelings take hold of you, it's almost like you are letting an injustice of the past take more from you in the present. Negative feelings like these shouldn't be repressed, because then they come back stronger. But once they're acknowledged, it's best to try to be constructive and try to let them go to focus on building something good, with what's left in the present. And if you find that there are so many people who rig the business where you were working, then maybe you can look somewhere else. It is a vast world out there. It's more easily said than done, but maybe it's worth at least thinking about it. These people can't take from you your actual time (unless you let them), your skills, your talent. Or maybe you can find creative ways to do what you do without them, outside their system. Also, it's hard to stomach reading about evil all the time. It's also important to focus on what's good in life.

That's it! (finally...)
If you post a reply, I'll read it. And if you ask me a question, I'll try to answer. But I'm really done now.
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From what I know coming from America, the only time (some) contractual details have been made public, was when people sued - Michael Jackson, Jared Leto, REM also had a dispute with the label, can't remember exactly what it was.
With bands is difficult, different and especially in kpop I doubt anyone within the band wants the details to be exposed, they already have enough of fans fighting internally.

I might be wrong, but it seems to me that Bang Chan is the main producer, or has more producing credits, than the other 2. So maybe this is the reason as to why he's getting more money< unless it's just teasing. Though I can't imagine at this point why Bang Chan would be so much wealthier than the other 2, if his money comes from JYP.

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What they do on stage is not difficult. Not to mention the fact, that they don't have many concerts.
Ballett dancers perform almost daily within a season and it's incomparable with the little moves those people make on stage. It's like with Beyonce's "dancing" - a lot of wodoo for nothing.

I can tell when it is noticeable that someone doesn't practice - dancing or singing and in this case Hyunjin's vocal cords can't make any singing sounds, it's the same with Jungkook and Taheyung. They start applying tension on their throat and scream, rather than letting the cords vibrate, because singing is a muscle movement. you train a certain spot on the muscle and that gives you a note. You also have to train breathing and vibration. Even when you only speak. Actors have also singing lessons because they use their vocal cords as well. I noticed that at a recent music show in Korea, as well as their latest concert, Hyunjin couldn't even be in tune with his rapping/talking part in chk chk boom and venom. He was just screaming uncontrolled.
Dancing-wise wise he was stiff and doesn't have the easiness coming from practice, compared with his 2 solos posted here. Well...the other thread.

Yes, that's correct in terms of a better and equal distribution within SKZ, tough also here, at their latest concerts, everyone sang horribly. I am not surprised - they are amateurs trying to sing some notes every now and then. It doesn't work this way. Even for pop music, if one wants to sing on stage, you still need daily practice. The advantage is, that pop singing doesn't require much of training. 1 hour daily should be enough, plus warming up before.

They are talking lessons into what to do on stage, within fan meetings, how to act, and what to say. Even the tongue thing that both Taheyung and Hyunjin were/are doing it, the same poses, etc..they are being told what to do.
A few years ago Bang even listed some sort of a Q&A on personal issues, to gather more personal insight into their fans' life, to manipulate them even more.

This is one of the critiques - they are NOT innocent and when you've trained for years into how to deceive and manipulate your fans, as the main asset of your existence within the company and on stage, one shouldn't put the "innocent" act as a defense. From how to gay around with each other, touch butts, hugs from behind, flirting, etc...to what to say on stage, to the fans, how to look into the camera.
This is all taught. By the company and rehearsed with the female "staffers".

They are not at all innocent and at some point in life, they should have realized that this fraud is not right. Yet, they keep doing it.
The story with "I love you" is nice, because no matter how much manipulation, it can still be done, without disrespecting love and the miracle of a relationship/finding someone.

They can be nice to their fans, and engage in fan calls, and fan meetings, but they shouldn't be physical, they shouldn't joke about "wife", even within a pairing with someone at the dorm, they shouldn't say "I love you, Stay/Army/etc" you are my wife/girlfriend.

I can't say much about the pairing into dorms, except...it's weird on one hand and somehow based on the story they want to sell to the public - the wife/husband between Hyunjin and Changbin, who was posting today that he's waiting for his wife....Han and Lee...
Even here...Han and Lee, both extremely gay-focused in their interaction and also kind of aggressive are more stable, than Changbin and Hyunjin, who only talk endlessly about "wife and husband".
It was one or two days ago that they released some behind-the-stage footage and it was again - husband and wife, husband and wife.


I thought that Felix is more, or at least equally famous as Hyunjin, but I don't have this feeling. Unfortunately, Hyunjin doesn't have the same appeal as he had even a few months ago, I just discovered SKZ and his dancing videos, so I consumed a lot of material at once, now I am up to date and the difference is worrisome.
Nevertheless, despite the whole "organic" distribution, a band will always have ONE person bigger than the rest.
In BTS's case I believe that Bang wanted to try a second approach with Taehyung, but then settled for Jungkook, in SKZ/s case, I don't think that Park is trying to do anything, but that's the reason why the band will disappear on its own. They don't have that one guy in the middle that you can't take your eyes from.
I noticed based on the videos of the past, that Hyunjin is holding back and that's a mistake. There should be at least one moment in every song, where you get a main-man for something. Main-Girl for girl groups.
Unless is a serious thing, like...serious music, a quartet, a trio, every band needs a main act. And not a "leader". Whatever they use this term for....also for no good reason.

Regarding the legal issue - even though I find it unfair as a law, meant for bitter men who can't abuse as much as they want women from eastern-europe, sentimental fraud, when money is involved, is punishable. It's considered to be a crime.

No fan has ever sued a singer for fake promises, but they should all dial back with the I love you's and the physical part. Just make fan signing, have a few words, and that's it. No need for anything else.
 
boti said:
From what I know coming from America, the only time (some) contractual details have been made public, was when people sued - Michael Jackson, Jared Leto, REM also had a dispute with the label, can't remember exactly what it was.
With bands is difficult, different and especially in kpop I doubt anyone within the band wants the details to be exposed, they already have enough of fans fighting internally.

I might be wrong, but it seems to me that Bang Chan is the main producer, or has more producing credits, than the other 2. So maybe this is the reason as to why he's getting more money< unless it's just teasing. Though I can't imagine at this point why Bang Chan would be so much wealthier than the other 2, if his money comes from JYP.

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What they do on stage is not difficult. Not to mention the fact, that they don't have many concerts.
Ballett dancers perform almost daily within a season and it's incomparable with the little moves those people make on stage. It's like with Beyonce's "dancing" - a lot of wodoo for nothing.

I can tell when it is noticeable that someone doesn't practice - dancing or singing and in this case Hyunjin's vocal cords can't make any singing sounds, it's the same with Jungkook and Taheyung. They start applying tension on their throat and scream, rather than letting the cords vibrate, because singing is a muscle movement. you train a certain spot on the muscle and that gives you a note. You also have to train breathing and vibration. Even when you only speak. Actors have also singing lessons because they use their vocal cords as well. I noticed that at a recent music show in Korea, as well as their latest concert, Hyunjin couldn't even be in tune with his rapping/talking part in chk chk boom and venom. He was just screaming uncontrolled.
Dancing-wise wise he was stiff and doesn't have the easiness coming from practice, compared with his 2 solos posted here. Well...the other thread.

Yes, that's correct in terms of a better and equal distribution within SKZ, tough also here, at their latest concerts, everyone sang horribly. I am not surprised - they are amateurs trying to sing some notes every now and then. It doesn't work this way. Even for pop music, if one wants to sing on stage, you still need daily practice. The advantage is, that pop singing doesn't require much of training. 1 hour daily should be enough, plus warming up before.

They are talking lessons into what to do on stage, within fan meetings, how to act, and what to say. Even the tongue thing that both Taheyung and Hyunjin were/are doing it, the same poses, etc..they are being told what to do.
A few years ago Bang even listed some sort of a Q&A on personal issues, to gather more personal insight into their fans' life, to manipulate them even more.

This is one of the critiques - they are NOT innocent and when you've trained for years into how to deceive and manipulate your fans, as the main asset of your existence within the company and on stage, one shouldn't put the "innocent" act as a defense. From how to gay around with each other, touch butts, hugs from behind, flirting, etc...to what to say on stage, to the fans, how to look into the camera.
This is all taught. By the company and rehearsed with the female "staffers".

They are not at all innocent and at some point in life, they should have realized that this fraud is not right. Yet, they keep doing it.
The story with "I love you" is nice, because no matter how much manipulation, it can still be done, without disrespecting love and the miracle of a relationship/finding someone.

They can be nice to their fans, and engage in fan calls, and fan meetings, but they shouldn't be physical, they shouldn't joke about "wife", even within a pairing with someone at the dorm, they shouldn't say "I love you, Stay/Army/etc" you are my wife/girlfriend.

I can't say much about the pairing into dorms, except...it's weird on one hand and somehow based on the story they want to sell to the public - the wife/husband between Hyunjin and Changbin, who was posting today that he's waiting for his wife....Han and Lee...
Even here...Han and Lee, both extremely gay-focused in their interaction and also kind of aggressive are more stable, than Changbin and Hyunjin, who only talk endlessly about "wife and husband".
It was one or two days ago that they released some behind-the-stage footage and it was again - husband and wife, husband and wife.


I thought that Felix is more, or at least equally famous as Hyunjin, but I don't have this feeling. Unfortunately, Hyunjin doesn't have the same appeal as he had even a few months ago, I just discovered SKZ and his dancing videos, so I consumed a lot of material at once, now I am up to date and the difference is worrisome.
Nevertheless, despite the whole "organic" distribution, a band will always have ONE person bigger than the rest.
In BTS's case I believe that Bang wanted to try a second approach with Taehyung, but then settled for Jungkook, in SKZ/s case, I don't think that Park is trying to do anything, but that's the reason why the band will disappear on its own. They don't have that one guy in the middle that you can't take your eyes from.
I noticed based on the videos of the past, that Hyunjin is holding back and that's a mistake. There should be at least one moment in every song, where you get a main-man for something. Main-Girl for girl groups.
Unless is a serious thing, like...serious music, a quartet, a trio, every band needs a main act. And not a "leader". Whatever they use this term for....also for no good reason.

Regarding the legal issue - even though I find it unfair as a law, meant for bitter men who can't abuse as much as they want women from eastern-europe, sentimental fraud, when money is involved, is punishable. It's considered to be a crime.

No fan has ever sued a singer for fake promises, but they should all dial back with the I love you's and the physical part. Just make fan signing, have a few words, and that's it. No need for anything else.
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I didn't get that part, could you please explain:
"Regarding the legal issue - even though I find it unfair as a law, meant for bitter men who can't abuse as much as they want women from eastern-europe, sentimental fraud, when money is involved, is punishable. It's considered to be a crime."

Also regarding the last sentence, I don't think anyone has ever seen this level of manipulation for fans (it's a lot worse than fake promises), so I think it could be a new case law if someone gets really hurt (God forbid) and a parent or a person decides to take legal action.
 
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Why are all those grannies doing with them?? Donatella, Abramovic, Moore...pedos

and fans thinking, they are their mothers....For God's sake. They should do shows exposing pedos and how they interact with you, not embracing this behavior.



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He is so overly fairy-nated, that he's going to look very weird in a few years, as an old guy, if he doesn't transition soon in a more human-looking way and not a cartoon.



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Mar678 said:
I didn't get that part, could you please explain:
"Regarding the legal issue - even though I find it unfair as a law, meant for bitter men who can't abuse as much as they want women from eastern-europe, sentimental fraud, when money is involved, is punishable. It's considered to be a crime."

Also regarding the last sentence, I don't think anyone has ever seen this level of manipulation for fans (it's a lot worse than fake promises), so I think it could be a new case law if someone gets really hurt (God forbid) and a parent or a person decides to take legal action.
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I couldn't find the article about the case, I believe it was about 15 years ago, but something similar, though the other case did not involve a document forgery.
It is in german, but it's only as a somehow similar reference. In the case I was mentioning, a man who was having a relationship over the internet with a woman. On multiple occasions, he gave her money.
When things didn't worked out the way he wanted, he sued her and she got sentenced to jail.

In Germany, working and/or pretty women are seen as a problem, as if - how they there not obey to us. Those who aren't willing to serve as a sex object, are abused.
They wouldn't send rapists to jail, but if a guy is pissed off, that the woman isn't wooing him anymore, he sues her for fraud.
This is bullshit.
Compared with the fraud, that kpop and male "singers" are pursuing, this is almost crazy. The woman was sent for several years to jail. not just a few months.

The damage of those girls, even though not really suicide, or some murder attempt, is lifelong. The gay propaganda, the promiscuity, the pedophilia, and the false impression of what relationships are.
Children and young people believe that friendships from school are going to last forever, etc.. Maybe some do. But children and young people today they are friends with someone, tomorrow with someone else. Every time it feels like the end of the world.
Men in their 20s and even older, acting like little children playing games with no responsibility, while wearing bondage outfits, is not normal and people looking up to them are already damaged.



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Fast zwei Millionen Euro weg - Frau haut Lebensgefährten übers Ohr

Immer wieder tischte sie Lügen auf. Jetzt muss eine 37-Jährige aus Wiesbaden ins Gefängnis.
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You can tell them 1000 times per day...they still only want to live in their phantasies. She is nothing without the delusional fans of some boy band members being used as a currency. The satanic "fashion" label/designer is part of the gay jewish "Capri Holdings", together with Michael Kors...
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boti said:
I couldn't find the article about the case, I believe it was about 15 years ago, but something similar, though the other case did not involve a document forgery.
It is in german, but it's only as a somehow similar reference. In the case I was mentioning, a man who was having a relationship over the internet with a woman. On multiple occasions, he gave her money.
When things didn't worked out the way he wanted, he sued her and she got sentenced to jail.

In Germany, working and/or pretty women are seen as a problem, as if - how they there not obey to us. Those who aren't willing to serve as a sex object, are abused.
They wouldn't send rapists to jail, but if a guy is pissed off, that the woman isn't wooing him anymore, he sues her for fraud.
This is bullshit.
Compared with the fraud, that kpop and male "singers" are pursuing, this is almost crazy. The woman was sent for several years to jail. not just a few months.

The damage of those girls, even though not really suicide, or some murder attempt, is lifelong. The gay propaganda, the promiscuity, the pedophilia, and the false impression of what relationships are.
Children and young people believe that friendships from school are going to last forever, etc.. Maybe some do. But children and young people today they are friends with someone, tomorrow with someone else. Every time it feels like the end of the world.
Men in their 20s and even older, acting like little children playing games with no responsibility, while wearing bondage outfits, is not normal and people looking up to them are already damaged.



www.swr.de

Fast zwei Millionen Euro weg - Frau haut Lebensgefährten übers Ohr

Immer wieder tischte sie Lügen auf. Jetzt muss eine 37-Jährige aus Wiesbaden ins Gefängnis.
www.swr.de www.swr.de
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It wouldn't be the same angle for the case. Here we're talking more, given the scale, obsession, mental illness... from manipulation
Especially in a country like the US, the country of litigation.
Then it's a new case, and the outcome can act as a law (case law - it also exists in other countries but there are many differences). I'm just giving the general idea here.
Let's hope all the craziness tones down from all the parties involved (labels/idols/fans).
There are forces that push back. Elon musk is now out there to "destroy the woke virus" after what happened to his ... (I don't even know if I'm supposed to say daughter or son) child. That's what I meant - it takes something bad, and then someone acts, and then society corrects itself.
There are also surgeons who now refuse to operate minors for sex change procedures after they've seen the effects, many people who went through the surgery and regretted and give their testimony etc. etc.

You're right, for the "feeding the social relationship" part, for the ones who do it (the idols), they can realize pretty soon what they're doing - or not (cause many seem more ethical than others). They're not "innocent".
But for the gender/woke propaganda, if even a "smart" businessman like Elon Musk just woke up regarding that, and he is not in his early 20's and hasn't been for a loooooong time, then I really don't think the idols who are in their early 20's etc. know how they are been instrumentalized (remember what I wrote previously...) for that ideology. At least not all of them. I would still like to give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure they're told something along the lines: "you're gonna help people who feel bad about themselves feel better", "you're gonna help people accept themselves better" etc..
And people who are really struggling with feelings they can't help, etc. as long as they don't hurt other people, they ought to be surrounded with care, and attention; but a behavior that is not normal should not be normalized to lead other people astray.
 
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of course, they made the one gay guy the face of UNICEF - we stand for child and women abuse&trafficking


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You can tell them 1000 times per day...they still only want to live in their phantasies. She is nothing without the delusional fans of some boy band members being used as a currency. The satanic "fashion" label/designer is part of the gay jewish "Capri Holdings", together with Michael Kors...
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This situation is very strange and even weirder because no one is talking about. No. This woman looking like a creep is not just a "CEO"...CEO's don't go shopping with them. By the way she's looking at him...🥸😱

 
Cutie...why should you, a man, be noticed by other men? Why do you look to see if men are noticing you??




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Mar678 said:
It wouldn't be the same angle for the case. Here we're talking more, given the scale, obsession, mental illness... from manipulation
Especially in a country like the US, the country of litigation.
Then it's a new case, and the outcome can act as a law (case law - it also exists in other countries but there are many differences). I'm just giving the general idea here.
Let's hope all the craziness tones down from all the parties involved (labels/idols/fans).
There are forces that push back. Elon musk is now out there to "destroy the woke virus" after what happened to his ... (I don't even know if I'm supposed to say daughter or son) child. That's what I meant - it takes something bad, and then someone acts, and then society corrects itself.
There are also surgeons who now refuse to operate minors for sex change procedures after they've seen the effects, many people who went through the surgery and regretted and give their testimony etc. etc.

You're right, for the "feeding the social relationship" part, for the ones who do it (the idols), they can realize pretty soon what they're doing - or not (cause many seem more ethical than others). They're not "innocent".
But for the gender/woke propaganda, if even a "smart" businessman like Elon Musk just woke up regarding that, and he is not in his early 20's and hasn't been for a loooooong time, then I really don't think the idols who are in their early 20's etc. know how they are been instrumentalized (remember what I wrote previously...) for that ideology. At least not all of them. I would still like to give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure they're told something along the lines: "you're gonna help people who feel bad about themselves feel better", "you're gonna help people accept themselves better" etc..
And people who are really struggling with feelings they can't help, etc. as long as they don't hurt other people, they ought to be surrounded with care, and attention; but a behavior that is not normal should not be normalized to lead other people astray.
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With Elon Musk - he found the perfect niche to get rich and the jews to invest in his project. He only got "not-woke" after it affected his life/child. He doesn't know how it is to lose your job for not engaging in this propaganda.
He also said he won't vote for any of the candidates, until Bill Ackman endorsed Trump, because of his (official) Israel support. They are all connected to jews in power and jewish interests. That's when Musk endorsed and started to support Trump.
 
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